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Chambers told he will not go to Olympics
SPRINTER Dwain Chambers has failed in his High Court bid to be allowed to go to the Olympics.
The sprinter was handed a lifetime ban from Olympic competition after testing positive for drugs.
On Saturday he achieved the required time to compete in the competition in Beijing next month.
But his hopes have now been dashed after the judge ruled the sprinter did not have a reason to be allowed to go to China.
Mr Justice Mackay refused to grant an injunction to temporarily suspend a lifetime ban on the sprinter competing at the Olympics.
The British Olympic Association will not be pursuing costs from Chambers, who had claimed the organisation's by-law was an unfair restriction of trade.
The 30-year-old can appeal the decision but the BOA must have its final roster of athletes submitted by this coming Sunday.
Chambers left the court shortly after the ruling, he did not speak to the assembled press outside.
The ban was imposed on Chambers after he test positive for the steroid THG in 2003.
BOA chairman Lord Colin Moynihan welcomed the ruling.
Speaking outside court he said the association would continue to send a "powerful and important message" to athletes that drugs cheats would not have the honour of representing the UK.
He added that the BOA could now focus on the athletes who would be travelling to Beijing in 21 days time.
Mr Justice Mackay returned to the London court this morning to give his ruling to a packed courtroom and the athlete himself.
The judge said: "Many people both inside and outside sport would see this bylaw as unlawful.
"In my judgment it would take a much better case than the claimant has presented to persuade me to overturn the status quo at this stage and compel his selection for the Games."
Chambers' lawyer, Nick Collins, said his client was very disappointed by the result.
Mr Collins said: "The difficulty of challenging the rules of a governing body was always going to be tough."
He added that for the moment no decisions on any future action have been taken.
Mark Foster, who will swim in his fifth Olympics in the 50m event in Beijing, said: "I think it is a great pity that the case has come to court and distracted from all the other clean athletes who want to compete on the greatest stage in the world.
"I think the verdict is absolutely right and it is very sad that someone like Dwain, who has a great natural talent, chose to disqualify himself by taking drugs.
"But he knew the rules and he cheated knowing the rules. It's as simple as that.
"I am also very pleased for any athlete who thought they may lose their place to Chambers if the verdicts went the other way - let's now focus on the athletes who are competing for medals."
4:47pm Friday 18th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: hulla, baloo on 11:34am Fri 18 Jul 08
Good, and so he should.
Along with all the other cheats as well.
They know the punishment for being a cheat, and still opt to take the drugs.
Is a shame that he,along with anybody else found guilty, cannot be banned from the sport for life.
Good, and so he should.
Along with all the other cheats as well.
They know the punishment for being a cheat, and still opt to take the drugs.
Is a shame that he,along with anybody else found guilty, cannot be banned from the sport for life.
Posted by: Jack, Soton on 11:36am Fri 18 Jul 08
Excellent result! The muscles used to achieve the qualifying times were build using drugs, that despite his two year ban.
Impose lifetime bans for drugs cheats and perhaps those individuals would think twice about it!
Excellent result! The muscles used to achieve the qualifying times were build using drugs, that despite his two year ban.
Impose lifetime bans for drugs cheats and perhaps those individuals would think twice about it!
Posted by: JP, Victoria on 11:47am Fri 18 Jul 08
He could do with a good smack.
He could do with a good smack.
Posted by: Iain, Lordshill on 11:49am Fri 18 Jul 08
Blimey! There IS a judge with common sense out there! Can we have him dealing with some criminal cases please?
Best news sport has had in ages.
Blimey! There IS a judge with common sense out there! Can we have him dealing with some criminal cases please?
Best news sport has had in ages.
Posted by: George on 11:52am Fri 18 Jul 08
Excellent news. This cheating scumbag didn't have the good grace to even [italic]pretend[/italic] to be repentant. And so what if he's no longer taking the drugs? His physique and ability have already been enhanced by them. I honestly don't know how someone would have the cheek to defend their cheating to this degree
Excellent news. This cheating scumbag didn't have the good grace to even
pretend to be repentant. And so what if he's no longer taking the drugs? His physique and ability have already been enhanced by them. I honestly don't know how someone would have the cheek to defend their cheating to this degree
Posted by: Paramjit Bahia, Southampton on 12:00pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Unlike the mixed messages from New Labour (When are they going to admit they are in fact Tories?) on drugs the High Court has sent the crystal clear signal that there is no place for drug abuse in sports. WELL DONE YOUR HONOUR.
It will be nice if the society at large also decides that there is no place in public life for those who have been consuming cannabis or other banned substances and vote out cabinet minsters and senior opposition MPs who have been openly bragging about smoking dope.
Unlike the mixed messages from New Labour (When are they going to admit they are in fact Tories?) on drugs the High Court has sent the crystal clear signal that there is no place for drug abuse in sports. WELL DONE YOUR HONOUR.
It will be nice if the society at large also decides that there is no place in public life for those who have been consuming cannabis or other banned substances and vote out cabinet minsters and senior opposition MPs who have been openly bragging about smoking dope.
Posted by: Derry, west hampshire on 12:09pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I am not a supporter of any political party but it seems to me that the new labour politicians have more in common with communists. It seems to me that many years ago these politicians instead of joining the communist party that had precious few members and no influence, opted to join the labour party and change it into something which would disguise their real allegiance.
I am not a supporter of any political party but it seems to me that the new labour politicians have more in common with communists. It seems to me that many years ago these politicians instead of joining the communist party that had precious few members and no influence, opted to join the labour party and change it into something which would disguise their real allegiance.
Posted by: George on 12:10pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Derry[/bold] wrote:
I am not a supporter of any political party but it seems to me that the new labour politicians have more in common with communists. It seems to me that many years ago these politicians instead of joining the communist party that had precious few members and no influence, opted to join the labour party and change it into something which would disguise their real allegiance.
[/quote] Interesting point of view, but how is it relevant to the story??
Derry wrote:
I am not a supporter of any political party but it seems to me that the new labour politicians have more in common with communists. It seems to me that many years ago these politicians instead of joining the communist party that had precious few members and no influence, opted to join the labour party and change it into something which would disguise their real allegiance.
Interesting point of view, but how is it relevant to the story??
Posted by: Road Runner on 12:37pm Fri 18 Jul 08
He was about our only hope for a medel, he should have been allowed to go....you can be sure he's not the only dope taker in our team. He was just unlucky to be caught.
He was about our only hope for a medel, he should have been allowed to go....you can be sure he's not the only dope taker in our team. He was just unlucky to be caught.
Posted by: toxteth o'grady on 12:40pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Road Runner[/bold] wrote:
He was about our only hope for a medel, he should have been allowed to go....you can be sure he's not the only dope taker in our team. He was just unlucky to be caught.[/quote] So let him off because he's our only chance of a medal ?? Chump !!
Road Runner wrote:
He was about our only hope for a medel, he should have been allowed to go....you can be sure he's not the only dope taker in our team. He was just unlucky to be caught.
So let him off because he's our only chance of a medal ?? Chump !!
Posted by: George on 12:41pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Road Runner[/bold] wrote:
He was about our only hope for a medel, he should have been allowed to go....you can be sure he's not the only dope taker in our team. He was just unlucky to be caught.[/quote] Maybe so, but the fact is, he [bold]was[/bold] caught. And more pertinent, had the cheek to defend his cheating
What sort of thinking is that? Might as well say "there's no point convicting burglars that are unlucky enough to get caught. You can be sure they're not the only burglars"
Road Runner wrote:
He was about our only hope for a medel, he should have been allowed to go....you can be sure he's not the only dope taker in our team. He was just unlucky to be caught.
Maybe so, but the fact is, he
was caught. And more pertinent, had the cheek to defend his cheating
What sort of thinking is that? Might as well say "there's no point convicting burglars that are unlucky enough to get caught. You can be sure they're not the only burglars"
Posted by: Dowayne Neufville, Southampton on 12:43pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Not sure about this one. Being an ex spinter myself and sharing the same name things don't add up. It takes allot of time and effort to earn an living through altheltics and to be honest thier are probley more drug taking in the sport now than ever, because they are so hard to detect. but rather than make him an outcast why not use him to clean up the sport and show what he can achieved without drugs. Thier may well be things that can be learnt, afterall where do these drugs come from and thier connections. I just think a ban sweeps things under the carpet and does not tackle drugs in sport...
Not sure about this one. Being an ex spinter myself and sharing the same name things don't add up. It takes allot of time and effort to earn an living through altheltics and to be honest thier are probley more drug taking in the sport now than ever, because they are so hard to detect. but rather than make him an outcast why not use him to clean up the sport and show what he can achieved without drugs. Thier may well be things that can be learnt, afterall where do these drugs come from and thier connections. I just think a ban sweeps things under the carpet and does not tackle drugs in sport...
Posted by: Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere on 12:58pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Dowayne Neufville[/bold] wrote:
Not sure about this one. Being an ex spinter myself and sharing the same name things don't add up. It takes allot of time and effort to earn an living through altheltics and to be honest thier are probley more drug taking in the sport now than ever, because they are so hard to detect. but rather than make him an outcast why not use him to clean up the sport and show what he can achieved without drugs. Thier may well be things that can be learnt, afterall where do these drugs come from and thier connections. I just think a ban sweeps things under the carpet and does not tackle drugs in sport...[/quote] Nice to see a reasoned response instead of the 'Daily Hate' style 'lock 'im up' response.
FWIW I can see both sides of the argument, I hate the idea of drugs in sport and as a former amateur sprinter myself I worked pretty hard in training to get my times down and resent people taking a short-cut....
Having said that I wasn't anywhere near competing at an 'elite' level where, especially around the sprint events, the suspicion that the man who just beat you was using drugs so I can't begin to understand the pressure on Dwayne to take drugs.
I do believe that in most cases in life, people deserve a second chance and also you can be sure that we have just kissed goodbye to a Brit in the 100m final... if not the semi's also.
Dowayne Neufville wrote:
Not sure about this one. Being an ex spinter myself and sharing the same name things don't add up. It takes allot of time and effort to earn an living through altheltics and to be honest thier are probley more drug taking in the sport now than ever, because they are so hard to detect. but rather than make him an outcast why not use him to clean up the sport and show what he can achieved without drugs. Thier may well be things that can be learnt, afterall where do these drugs come from and thier connections. I just think a ban sweeps things under the carpet and does not tackle drugs in sport...
Nice to see a reasoned response instead of the 'Daily Hate' style 'lock 'im up' response.
FWIW I can see both sides of the argument, I hate the idea of drugs in sport and as a former amateur sprinter myself I worked pretty hard in training to get my times down and resent people taking a short-cut....
Having said that I wasn't anywhere near competing at an 'elite' level where, especially around the sprint events, the suspicion that the man who just beat you was using drugs so I can't begin to understand the pressure on Dwayne to take drugs.
I do believe that in most cases in life, people deserve a second chance and also you can be sure that we have just kissed goodbye to a Brit in the 100m final... if not the semi's also.
Posted by: Will Sylabub, Soton on 1:03pm Fri 18 Jul 08
"Olympic [italic]Blow[/italic] ", bit of an missplaced use of wording there?
"Olympic
Blow ", bit of an missplaced use of wording there?
Posted by: really?!, the clouds on 1:06pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Road Runner[/bold] wrote:
He was about our only hope for a medel, he should have been allowed to go....you can be sure he's not the only dope taker in our team. He was just unlucky to be caught.[/quote] Considering you've got guys on the other side of the Atlantic like Powell and Bolt regularly running sub 9.8 these days, if not faster, and several others who seem to be capable of regularly running sub-10, i think Chambers would have been lucky to make the final, even if he is our 'best' sprinter - so that argument's a bit lame!
Road Runner wrote:
He was about our only hope for a medel, he should have been allowed to go....you can be sure he's not the only dope taker in our team. He was just unlucky to be caught.
Considering you've got guys on the other side of the Atlantic like Powell and Bolt regularly running sub 9.8 these days, if not faster, and several others who seem to be capable of regularly running sub-10, i think Chambers would have been lucky to make the final, even if he is our 'best' sprinter - so that argument's a bit lame!
Posted by: Ciaran on 1:17pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Will Sylabub[/bold] wrote:
"Olympic [italic]Blow[/italic] ", bit of an missplaced use of wording there?[/quote] Not really, seeing as Chambers used steroids.
Will Sylabub wrote:
"Olympic Blow ", bit of an missplaced use of wording there?
Not really, seeing as Chambers used steroids.
Posted by: P.Elliot on 1:17pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Dowayne Neufville[/bold] wrote:
Not sure about this one. Being an ex spinter myself and sharing the same name things don\'t add up. It takes allot of time and effort to earn an living through altheltics and to be honest thier are probley more drug taking in the sport now than ever, because they are so hard to detect. but rather than make him an outcast why not use him to clean up the sport and show what he can achieved without drugs. Thier may well be things that can be learnt, afterall where do these drugs come from and thier connections. I just think a ban sweeps things under the carpet and does not tackle drugs in sport...[/quote] He was taking drugs which enhanced his physiological make up and for which he has retained the benefits with continual training. Therefore his every successful stride is formed from the foundation of drug taking.
The ban has swept nothing under the carpet,in fact this has sent out a clear message that if you do get caught, the law is behind the governing body with regard to a lifetime ban.
I also feel that the villification of Chambers by fellow athletes past and present proves that there is no place in Athletics for drug cheats.
Dowayne Neufville wrote:
Not sure about this one. Being an ex spinter myself and sharing the same name things don\'t add up. It takes allot of time and effort to earn an living through altheltics and to be honest thier are probley more drug taking in the sport now than ever, because they are so hard to detect. but rather than make him an outcast why not use him to clean up the sport and show what he can achieved without drugs. Thier may well be things that can be learnt, afterall where do these drugs come from and thier connections. I just think a ban sweeps things under the carpet and does not tackle drugs in sport...
He was taking drugs which enhanced his physiological make up and for which he has retained the benefits with continual training. Therefore his every successful stride is formed from the foundation of drug taking.
The ban has swept nothing under the carpet,in fact this has sent out a clear message that if you do get caught, the law is behind the governing body with regard to a lifetime ban.
I also feel that the villification of Chambers by fellow athletes past and present proves that there is no place in Athletics for drug cheats.
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 1:35pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Just say no.
Posted by: A Sandler, soton on 1:54pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Happy Gilmore I assume ?
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 2:28pm Fri 18 Jul 08
The original cast of Grange Hill, actually. But I'm happy, thanks for asking :D
The original cast of Grange Hill, actually. But I'm happy, thanks for asking :D
Posted by: Doh on 2:28pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Deport him back to where he belongs.... oh wait... sorry, wrong article.
Deport him back to where he belongs.... oh wait... sorry, wrong article.
Posted by: ex so'ton on 2:30pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Trouble is that these days the actual sport comes a distant second, it is really down to our drugs run/jump, etc. better than yours. Like Formula 1 drivers nowadays do not and cannot think for themselves because it is all done by computers at trackside. The Tour de France cyclists are a prime example, every year, of drug scandles, some use better drugs than others, sport is awash with the stuff and both trainers and athletes are right to be brought to book with ever more stringent tests when spotted.
Trouble is that these days the actual sport comes a distant second, it is really down to our drugs run/jump, etc. better than yours. Like Formula 1 drivers nowadays do not and cannot think for themselves because it is all done by computers at trackside. The Tour de France cyclists are a prime example, every year, of drug scandles, some use better drugs than others, sport is awash with the stuff and both trainers and athletes are right to be brought to book with ever more stringent tests when spotted.
Posted by: Paul TS, Swanwick on 2:42pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Shame that our judges and courts don't insist that murderers, rapists and all other criminal scum bags also see out the sentences that they are given, rather than being let out again to commit the same if not worst crimes. Seems to me that he is being made an example to other sports people, perhaps we should be doing the same with all criminals and then our country might be a better and more peaceful place to live! Can't blame him for wanting to do what he has trained and worked at all his life to do and the results he has achieved recently I only assume have been done without any substances to assist! Just hope the others who go instead are capable of winning medals!!
Shame that our judges and courts don't insist that murderers, rapists and all other criminal scum bags also see out the sentences that they are given, rather than being let out again to commit the same if not worst crimes. Seems to me that he is being made an example to other sports people, perhaps we should be doing the same with all criminals and then our country might be a better and more peaceful place to live! Can't blame him for wanting to do what he has trained and worked at all his life to do and the results he has achieved recently I only assume have been done without any substances to assist! Just hope the others who go instead are capable of winning medals!!
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 2:44pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Good news. This junkie is a disgrace. We should deport him.
Good news. This junkie is a disgrace. We should deport him.
Posted by: Ben Johnson, Canada on 2:59pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Can't see wot e as dun wrong meself.
Can't see wot e as dun wrong meself.
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 3:03pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I dig hung dudes
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 3:51pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
I dig hung dudes[/quote] lol
I bet Denzil's still got a Linford Christie poster on his bedroom wall (or ceiling?)
Denzil wrote:
I dig hung dudes
lol
I bet Denzil's still got a Linford Christie poster on his bedroom wall (or ceiling?)
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 5:00pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Cue recycled gag
What's the connection between Dwain Chambers and the world's fastest animal?
They are both cheetahs!
Cue recycled gag
What's the connection between Dwain Chambers and the world's fastest animal?
They are both cheetahs!
Posted by: Matt Probert, Harefield on 5:30pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Great result! As an organiser of a youth sporting club, it is very hard to inspire the kids. If they see drug cheats getting away with it they will copy them. We don't want drug cheats as role models. Can we now resign this sad loser to the rubbish pile he belongs in? And let the honest heroes take part and do their honest best.
Great result! As an organiser of a youth sporting club, it is very hard to inspire the kids. If they see drug cheats getting away with it they will copy them. We don't want drug cheats as role models. Can we now resign this sad loser to the rubbish pile he belongs in? And let the honest heroes take part and do their honest best.
Posted by: Jeff McLean, Chandlers Ford on 5:55pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I am a shift worker, and I don't see what the relevance is. In Fords, shift workers do all the donkey work that the days wont do.
I am a shift worker, and I don't see what the relevance is. In Fords, shift workers do all the donkey work that the days wont do.
Posted by: woooosh, gone on 7:28pm Fri 18 Jul 08
you'll never get a score off him though, he is hard to catch as he is full of whizzzzzz!!!
you'll never get a score off him though, he is hard to catch as he is full of whizzzzzz!!!
Posted by: q'aaarg on 8:17pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]woooosh[/bold] wrote:
you'll never get a score off him though, he is hard to catch as he is full of whizzzzzz!!![/quote] You demonstrate a massive misunderstanding of the performance-enhancin
g drugs in question, I'm afraid. They help you train harder, and enhance the effects of the training. It's not some magic bean you take before a race that turns you into The Flash
woooosh wrote:
you'll never get a score off him though, he is hard to catch as he is full of whizzzzzz!!!
You demonstrate a massive misunderstanding of the performance-enhancin
g drugs in question, I'm afraid. They help you train harder, and enhance the effects of the training. It's not some magic bean you take before a race that turns you into The Flash
Posted by: George on 8:24pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Matt Probert[/bold] wrote:
Great result! As an organiser of a youth sporting club, it is very hard to inspire the kids. If they see drug cheats getting away with it they will copy them. We don't want drug cheats as role models. Can we now resign this sad loser to the rubbish pile he belongs in? And let the honest heroes take part and do their honest best.[/quote] Exactly. What's really galling about this particular cheat, is that, even now, he talks as if what he did was normal, and acceptable, and a perfectly reasonable way to "win". It must be hard enough to teach kids that cheating's wrong when those caught cheating make a public attempt to apologise. With this guy basically saying "cheating is the only way to win", you're stuffed
Matt Probert wrote:
Great result! As an organiser of a youth sporting club, it is very hard to inspire the kids. If they see drug cheats getting away with it they will copy them. We don't want drug cheats as role models. Can we now resign this sad loser to the rubbish pile he belongs in? And let the honest heroes take part and do their honest best.
Exactly. What's really galling about this particular cheat, is that, even now, he talks as if what he did was normal, and acceptable, and a perfectly reasonable way to "win". It must be hard enough to teach kids that cheating's wrong when those caught cheating make a public attempt to apologise. With this guy basically saying "cheating is the only way to win", you're stuffed
Posted by: gods, sake on 9:08pm Fri 18 Jul 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Matt Probert[/bold] wrote:
Great result! As an organiser of a youth sporting club, it is very hard to inspire the kids. If they see drug cheats getting away with it they will copy them. We don't want drug cheats as role models. Can we now resign this sad loser to the rubbish pile he belongs in? And let the honest heroes take part and do their honest best.[/quote] Exactly. What's really galling about this particular cheat, is that, even now, he talks as if what he did was normal, and acceptable, and a perfectly reasonable way to "win". It must be hard enough to teach kids that cheating's wrong when those caught cheating make a public attempt to apologise. With this guy basically saying "cheating is the only way to win", you're stuffed[/quote] grow up the pair of you,he got caught he done his time now let him get on being what he is,i bet none of your kids have ever taken drugs either recreational or otherwise.
kids dont follow guys like dwayne they have other role models!you know like the roasters the rapists and swearing at umpires and refs
you both belong in a bygone era!
George wrote:
Matt Probert wrote:
Great result! As an organiser of a youth sporting club, it is very hard to inspire the kids. If they see drug cheats getting away with it they will copy them. We don't want drug cheats as role models. Can we now resign this sad loser to the rubbish pile he belongs in? And let the honest heroes take part and do their honest best.
Exactly. What's really galling about this particular cheat, is that, even now, he talks as if what he did was normal, and acceptable, and a perfectly reasonable way to "win". It must be hard enough to teach kids that cheating's wrong when those caught cheating make a public attempt to apologise. With this guy basically saying "cheating is the only way to win", you're stuffed
grow up the pair of you,he got caught he done his time now let him get on being what he is,i bet none of your kids have ever taken drugs either recreational or otherwise.
kids dont follow guys like dwayne they have other role models!you know like the roasters the rapists and swearing at umpires and refs
you both belong in a bygone era!
Posted by: string bean, Wiltshire on 11:04pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I must be the only one in the country who thinks the judge got it absolutely WRONG. It is an absolute farce that an athlete can take drugs, admit it, and be banned for life. Yet a professional footballer can take drugs, get caught, fined, and still be allowed to play football at a high level. What sort of impression does this give to kids? That you will be alright to take drugs, and get away with it because you play football!
I must be the only one in the country who thinks the judge got it absolutely WRONG. It is an absolute farce that an athlete can take drugs, admit it, and be banned for life. Yet a professional footballer can take drugs, get caught, fined, and still be allowed to play football at a high level. What sort of impression does this give to kids? That you will be alright to take drugs, and get away with it because you play football!
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southmapton on 1:45am Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]string bean[/bold] wrote:
I must be the only one in the country who thinks the judge got it absolutely WRONG. It is an absolute farce that an athlete can take drugs, admit it, and be banned for life. Yet a professional footballer can take drugs, get caught, fined, and still be allowed to play football at a high level. What sort of impression does this give to kids? That you will be alright to take drugs, and get away with it because you play football![/quote] Nope, footballers should also be banned from taking drugs. Excuse my ignorance of this particular situation, but I was under the impression they were? Please forgive me if I'm wrong.
string bean wrote:
I must be the only one in the country who thinks the judge got it absolutely WRONG. It is an absolute farce that an athlete can take drugs, admit it, and be banned for life. Yet a professional footballer can take drugs, get caught, fined, and still be allowed to play football at a high level. What sort of impression does this give to kids? That you will be alright to take drugs, and get away with it because you play football!
Nope, footballers should also be banned from taking drugs. Excuse my ignorance of this particular situation, but I was under the impression they were? Please forgive me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: Pedant on 7:45am Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Gilmore[/bold] wrote:
The original cast of Grange Hill, actually. But I'm happy, thanks for asking :D[/quote] Wasn't the campaign linked to Zammo's heroin addication? If so that was a mid-80's storyline. That was seven seasons into the thirty season run and not the original cast. Tucker had already left to try his "luck".
Gilmore wrote:
The original cast of Grange Hill, actually. But I'm happy, thanks for asking :D
Wasn't the campaign linked to Zammo's heroin addication? If so that was a mid-80's storyline. That was seven seasons into the thirty season run and not the original cast. Tucker had already left to try his "luck".
Posted by: string bean, Wiltshire on 9:12am Sat 19 Jul 08
Gilmore, what about Mutu, that used to play for Chelsea. He shoves anything he can up his nose, got fined by Chelsea, and still plays football, where's the difference? If athletes of any sport take a substance they should be banned. Although Mutu did get banned, he still plays, Chambers got a two year ban, has done his time still made to suffer. Dwayne is in the wrong sport!
Gilmore, what about Mutu, that used to play for Chelsea. He shoves anything he can up his nose, got fined by Chelsea, and still plays football, where's the difference? If athletes of any sport take a substance they should be banned. Although Mutu did get banned, he still plays, Chambers got a two year ban, has done his time still made to suffer. Dwayne is in the wrong sport!
Posted by: George on 9:12am Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]gods[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Matt Probert[/bold] wrote:
Great result! As an organiser of a youth sporting club, it is very hard to inspire the kids. If they see drug cheats getting away with it they will copy them. We don't want drug cheats as role models. Can we now resign this sad loser to the rubbish pile he belongs in? And let the honest heroes take part and do their honest best.[/quote] Exactly. What's really galling about this particular cheat, is that, even now, he talks as if what he did was normal, and acceptable, and a perfectly reasonable way to "win". It must be hard enough to teach kids that cheating's wrong when those caught cheating make a public attempt to apologise. With this guy basically saying "cheating is the only way to win", you're stuffed[/quote] grow up the pair of you,he got caught he done his time now let him get on being what he is,i bet none of your kids have ever taken drugs either recreational or otherwise.
kids dont follow guys like dwayne they have other role models!you know like the roasters the rapists and swearing at umpires and refs
you both belong in a bygone era![/quote] What the hell are you talking about? "I bet none of your kids have ever taken drugs"? Do you even think before you post this drivel? So if one of my kids had taken drugs, it's somehow magically ok to win sporting events by cheating? Your reasoning leaves a lot to be desired, you know
gods wrote:
George wrote:
Matt Probert wrote:
Great result! As an organiser of a youth sporting club, it is very hard to inspire the kids. If they see drug cheats getting away with it they will copy them. We don't want drug cheats as role models. Can we now resign this sad loser to the rubbish pile he belongs in? And let the honest heroes take part and do their honest best.
Exactly. What's really galling about this particular cheat, is that, even now, he talks as if what he did was normal, and acceptable, and a perfectly reasonable way to "win". It must be hard enough to teach kids that cheating's wrong when those caught cheating make a public attempt to apologise. With this guy basically saying "cheating is the only way to win", you're stuffed
grow up the pair of you,he got caught he done his time now let him get on being what he is,i bet none of your kids have ever taken drugs either recreational or otherwise.
kids dont follow guys like dwayne they have other role models!you know like the roasters the rapists and swearing at umpires and refs
you both belong in a bygone era!
What the hell are you talking about? "I bet none of your kids have ever taken drugs"? Do you even think before you post this drivel? So if one of my kids had taken drugs, it's somehow magically ok to win sporting events by cheating? Your reasoning leaves a lot to be desired, you know
Posted by: George on 9:27am Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]string bean[/bold] wrote:
I must be the only one in the country who thinks the judge got it absolutely WRONG. It is an absolute farce that an athlete can take drugs, admit it, and be banned for life. Yet a professional footballer can take drugs, get caught, fined, and still be allowed to play football at a high level. What sort of impression does this give to kids? That you will be alright to take drugs, and get away with it because you play football![/quote] I think it's dependent on the drugs taken. Performance-enhancin
g drugs like anabolic steroids, well, that's cheating, blatantly (despite what "gods" above likes to think) and, yeh, should attract a ban. If it's just a recreational drug (just??) like coke or weed, then performance isn't enhanced, hence, it isn't cheating, hence the same rules don't apply. That said, it's still pretty poor show, and they have broken the law, so IMHO should still be banned. I'm not agreeing with how it works, just pointing out why I reckon it appears there's a double standard
The judge didn't get anything wrong. Should he really let someone off, just because someone else got let off?
string bean wrote:
I must be the only one in the country who thinks the judge got it absolutely WRONG. It is an absolute farce that an athlete can take drugs, admit it, and be banned for life. Yet a professional footballer can take drugs, get caught, fined, and still be allowed to play football at a high level. What sort of impression does this give to kids? That you will be alright to take drugs, and get away with it because you play football!
I think it's dependent on the drugs taken. Performance-enhancin
g drugs like anabolic steroids, well, that's cheating, blatantly (despite what "gods" above likes to think) and, yeh, should attract a ban. If it's just a recreational drug (just??) like coke or weed, then performance isn't enhanced, hence, it isn't cheating, hence the same rules don't apply. That said, it's still pretty poor show, and they have broken the law, so IMHO should still be banned. I'm not agreeing with how it works, just pointing out why I reckon it appears there's a double standard
The judge didn't get anything wrong. Should he really let someone off, just because someone else got let off?
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 10:37am Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Pedant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Gilmore[/bold] wrote:
The original cast of Grange Hill, actually. But I'm happy, thanks for asking :D[/quote] Wasn't the campaign linked to Zammo's heroin addication? If so that was a mid-80's storyline. That was seven seasons into the thirty season run and not the original cast. Tucker had already left to try his "luck".[/quote] Bah, my mind's gone. I should have learned from Zammo.
Pedant wrote:
Gilmore wrote:
The original cast of Grange Hill, actually. But I'm happy, thanks for asking :D
Wasn't the campaign linked to Zammo's heroin addication? If so that was a mid-80's storyline. That was seven seasons into the thirty season run and not the original cast. Tucker had already left to try his "luck".
Bah, my mind's gone. I should have learned from Zammo.
Posted by: Big Clem, back from holiday on 11:28am Sat 19 Jul 08
Chambers hasn't been banned for life from running, (though he should), he has been stopped from going to the olympic games and running under the flag of Great Britain. Previous correspondents are totally correct in saying that the drugs he took enhanced him physically and therefore that gave him an advantage over others who have not. The judge was perfectly in order with his summing up and Chambers got his just reward for cheating.
Chambers hasn't been banned for life from running, (though he should), he has been stopped from going to the olympic games and running under the flag of Great Britain. Previous correspondents are totally correct in saying that the drugs he took enhanced him physically and therefore that gave him an advantage over others who have not. The judge was perfectly in order with his summing up and Chambers got his just reward for cheating.
Posted by: steve, central on 7:52pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Poor chap he made a mistake if every drug user was treated this way and not allowed back into his or her proffession we would live in a cruel world.
Poor chap he made a mistake if every drug user was treated this way and not allowed back into his or her proffession we would live in a cruel world.
Posted by: George on 8:35pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]steve[/bold] wrote:
Poor chap he made a mistake if every drug user was treated this way and not allowed back into his or her proffession we would live in a cruel world. [/quote] No he didn't make a mistake. His ongoing verging-on-boasting justification of his actions tells us that. Anyways, he's been banned from the Olympics, which, by definition, is [bold]not[/bold] a professional meet. Plus, competitive athletics can hardly be compared to a regular profession. His profession was based on competitiveness, and he cheated at that, by using performance-enhancin
g drugs. He's not being barred simply for using drugs. You'd expect a corrupt lawyer or policeman to be barred from their profession. Same thing
steve wrote:
Poor chap he made a mistake if every drug user was treated this way and not allowed back into his or her proffession we would live in a cruel world.
No he didn't make a mistake. His ongoing verging-on-boasting justification of his actions tells us that. Anyways, he's been banned from the Olympics, which, by definition, is
not a professional meet. Plus, competitive athletics can hardly be compared to a regular profession. His profession was based on competitiveness, and he cheated at that, by using performance-enhancin
g drugs. He's not being barred simply for using drugs. You'd expect a corrupt lawyer or policeman to be barred from their profession. Same thing
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